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Can somebody please explain to me what is wrong about this? I’m a “NFTs are bullshit” person so this seems like a non-issue to me. Somebody didn’t “steal” an image, right? They cryptographically signed a url. That’s it, right? It's a wasteful use of computers but not stealing.
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This NFT Ponzi Scheme is going to end up depriving the internet of a good deal of wonderful art, make artist lose the income they generate, as well as accolades of those that enjoy their work. Watermarking could be an answer or maybe microdotting a signature withing the art. Confounded face
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Lol @ the crypto bros still defending NFTs despite literally seeing the scam before them. I will say that it's great of DeviantArt to actually warn artists of their work being stolen for NFTs, but that's the one thing about this situation that DOESN'T piss me off.
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Only thing I'd add to that is: At any moment, the "supply closet" (aka website) can be destroyed and not only do you lose all your $ you spent but the person you paid gets to run off with your money
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They still say that. I call them out on it every day. They just call you a normie or a boomer or some shit and tell you you just don't understand the tech lol
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I keep saying that a class action needs to be brought against sites like OpenSea. A group of artists who've had art stolen need to find an attorney and figure out a plan of attack.
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artists aren’t lawyers and outside of some few attempts to mitigate it, shuttering seems like the only option “Helping” artists. I hope NFT minters lose every cent they’ve scammed
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Hi Liam, So sorry to hear about this happening to you. No artist should made to feel helpless when it comes to their art. We're working hard to improve DA Protect, hopefully making the art community safer for all.
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One thing I don’t understand, in what way is the NFT a unique work if they’ve nicked it? Doesn’t that fly in the face of what is presumably its only selling point? Absolute scam from start to finish.
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- this is not the first, there have been many now. The process to report is not intuitive, and the onus is on me to prove I am the artist/owner/creator - which seems wrong - that's IF I even learn about it. The NFT creation side should be more rigorous.
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I was really just unhappy about the theft of my work more than anything. Thanks to those that stayed civil. I never intend to stir up animosity and I try to encourage proper discourse - as any who follow me know. Lots to digest here. Meanwhile be well, be kind, & happy holidays.
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The most frustrating part of all this from the crypto community side is if you had just reached out to us, or had your followers amplify your post, we wouldn't have used our connections to help get it rectified for you, because we're artists as well and work hard to get stolen...
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why would someone else making nft's out of your art affect you negatively in anyway, and if you are noticing a demand for nft's of your art why don't you just turn your art into nft's. if people are making nft's of your art and they become valuable thats marketing for you.
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What does that mean for you as an artist? If you take your stuff completely offline, then you lose your audience and - depending on your motivations - your reason for making art. If you share it anywhere, it can get stolen. Is it that it more likely to get stolen from that site?
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DeviantArt is a site for teenagers to post selfies of self-injurious behavior. No grown adult should be posting there. If you want an image to be reposted a million times without proper recognition, post it on DA. Bailed on DA 20 years ago, my images were all over the planet.
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Gotta love the irony of NFTs. Originally it was meant to allow artist to make money from their online art. Now it’s a mass produced product that in some cases is stolen art.
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You can choose to have a digital ID. If you do, all of your art that is not signed with your digital ID will be considered fake/stolen by default. And you oppose this for some reason? And also complain about the tech that allows this in the digital era. Don’t become obsolete.
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People were always able to copy digitally and resell your art if they wanted. But now there’s a way to prove that this art is actually yours and original which creates a marketplace where people are willing to pay serious money for it. Why not take part in it?
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Well I did see this on the "users" page, maybe showing this to Wizards of the Coast would get some attention?
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Perhaps your best revenge may be to keep your gallery open and constantly remind people that any NFTs off the art are illegitimate. That will help persuade people to realize the flaws in the NFT hype and ultimately the NFTs of the work will be worthless.
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I wouldn’t worry too much, that account hasn’t sold a single thing Nor is it likely to Collectors want to know they’re buying from and thus supporting the actual artist If you made your work available in such a manner I think you’d be shocked at the response Folded hands
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I'd also lose half my historic fanbase! It's something I've been on the fence about, but this doesn't help. Lorcan really wants me to do NFTs and thinks I'm missing out, but I just am not up for the fight with my followers. Too old. Plus I don't think it's green enough yet. Folded hands
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OpenSea just stopped honouring regular takedown requests / messages / emails. Now they only accept legal documents with legally binding "artist gets prosecuted if they lied to OpenSea" clause (DMCA)
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Looks like OpenSea finally had too many theft tickets & disabled the contact form for stolen art reports. Got my tickets rejected with "DMCA only from now on" reply, and the form has been updated. Copyright Infringement has been removed from options to help real art Smiling face with tear twitter.com/BlindHag/statu…
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Before you say that artists should use NFTs, just remember that people can screenshot/right click + save them. NFTs are pretty much useless at protecting artists. They're like hidden watermarks that no one care about. We don't have to needlessly pollute the environment for this
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I can see the concern, however: Fake NFTs are worthless, and if you get a sucker to buy one then lucky you, but it would quickly run dead. Buyers aren't stupid. Only authentic NFTs with verifyable ownership & creation history will build value, and can be programmed.
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Another thing to keep in mind is anybody can create an NFT for anything an unlimited number of times. Even the author can create multiple NFTs for one piece. The key is all fakes are just that - worthless fakes that will never build value. See this also:
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If a thief can get verified and produce a convincing NFT only then people would buy it. Similarly a thief can sell your art at a real life exhibition impersonating you. The difference is one is programmable with endless possibilities in the digital age, the other is not.
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love to see allowing art theft, btw the mailing address you provide isn't the address for Ozone Networks Inc. The Ozone Networks, Inc business isn't registered there and something tells me if I go to that STE in the flatiron you have listed it won't exist or be empty.
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I don't like the whole NFT scheme. That aside is this Deviant art notifying you that your art is listed on a NFT exchange ? Why aren't they contacting the blockchain/s and asking/having them put a hold on the art until it's authenticity can be verified?
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Because deviant art literally can’t do that. The true owner of the stolen art has to be the one to deal with it. Even if DA tried NFT websites would not take being notified seriously. There are artists with hundreds of there pieces stolen.
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Ppl arent saying that the replica is the real mona lisa, if they did, they would get sued, same here, ever heard of copyright?
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Protect might be ironically harmful to artists. NFTs, the way they have been done, are unfortunately causing more harm than good to talented artists, and Protect is enabling this trend to continues. NFTs are a cool in concept, but very poorly executed.
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This is even bigger horsemanure than I thought, is non-automatic reporting of stolen content even allowed under the DMCA? Thought you had to have that in order not to be directly liable for copyright infringement.
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Just curious but what's the difference between stealing art and selling it for $5 via PayPal and stealing art and selling it for $5 in crypto?
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Technically no because the NFT itself isn't the image. It's a bunch of number on a block chain that reference an image, usually by URL. So there is nothing stopping anyone from having the same image at a different URL as a separate NFT.
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OpenSea appears to be using Google as their hosting provider for images. If you send a fully compliant DMCA takedown notice to Google, then Google are legally bound to at least respond to and act upon your notification. Here's an example notice to help
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Honestly if your art was posted on dA first then dA should be the ones to get the other websites to take them down. The artist shouldn’t have to go to each of those places and deal with it. That’s how you lose members dA.
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Hi I’m in the back and I need it said louder: what is the effect of this theft on you? Honest no snark; “nft bros are annoying as fuck” is Hundred points symbol legit answer, but I suspect there’s more that I haven’t worked out yet.
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Usually platforms respond to a DMCA takedown notice very quickly, but opensea is notorious for either making the process as hard as possible, or just flat out ignoring you. Usually if the DMCA is ignored, which is illegal by the way, you have to take legal action
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Perhaps you can also see if you can obtain big bucks from Opensea or the sellers via copyright infringement lawsuits. Does Opensea's role in displaying & minting the NFTs create liability for them, so they are not protected under the DMCA? An attorney might find out.
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Nfts are an investment not art, it's a damn shame money is winning, but of course it will. At this point bi say just sell then yourself, at least make a few bucks off these scammers
Can we talk for a moment about how cool it is that deviantart does this to support artists? Idk if deviantart would be able to *stop* art from being stolen from the site but at least letting artists know when it happens is pretty cool
I am minting my NFTs on Algorand because it is way cheaper than others most specially with Ethereum in contrast.
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This is why I'm not uploading anything to DeviantArt until I get my logo/watermark finished. DA choosing to become an NFT Marketplace is disgusting and shows that the company behind them knows nothing about the art community as a whole.
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Where can I read about DeviantArt having chosen to become an NFT marketplace? All I see is that they use image recognition to alert users of plagiarism, including stolen art used offsite by NFT fraudsters. I.e., they actively help combat NFT fraud. What did I miss here?
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Why care about NFT scams? What if some scammer get 3 USD by stealing your art? In what way this changes your creativity and income? I think NFT scams are going to be forgotten just like the ICO scams in 2017 and the crypto games in 2021. Just give them time. And keep creating.
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No it's not. This person had their art already posted and then someone else stole and sold it as an NFT after the fact. This isn't a good system and is actively hurting artists.
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It's no hard to put something for sale on opensea, it's literally a few clicks. I'll support any artist that wants to go in, it's just that I assume anyone capable of posting on DeviantArt, capable of posting on opensea by themselves. Here for help if needed
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Try filing the claims with the company that is hosting the NFT bro's server. I'm sure illegal activities are a ToS violation and enough for whoever runs it to force the crypto bros to manage their service better or find a new home
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The issue is it keeps happening. My art keeps appearing on unauthorised print shops and it’s a monumental pain to keep filing takedowns.
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Why don’t you post a “shaded” grey version on your traditional channels and just mint the real one on your own? Just tease it somehow and sell the real ones if people want to steal them so bad that’s amazing.
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NFTs really do not help me with my pre-existing anxiety of people stealing my art and claiming it as their own (which demotivates me from making art whatsoever)
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Maxes you wonder, if they’ve made the tech to search out and find these for DA artists - why not also make a profile option along the lines of “I do not condone the use of my art in NFts” and then - allow this search software to auto submit takedowns based on that criteria
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It wouldn’t make sense to have to program a bot to have to use each service’s takedown systems - but there should be a way to prove this is a large enough problem that these services are required to make a takedown service that can be accessed automatically by DA and other sites
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NFTs should be outlawed. "But we're helping the artist gain exposure, they should be thanking us!" *proceeds to make money of the artist's work and the original artist sees none of that* Cryptobros make me sick.
Hey, have you seen this tweet? Someone is gathering info from artists that has been stolen from to prepare legal action. If you still have the energy to tell about your experience, maybe you can write CirenSong a message. :)
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oh lord no. All you need is an image, a bitcoin wallet, and few dollars (usually $75-100) to mint whatever the service you're using charged for it. None of the services seem concerned to ask for any kind of proof of ownership of the art
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I love this thread. NFT scammers are using the ONLY response they can think of "You should have made it into a NFT and it wouldn't have gotten stolen" Even I can tell that's almost a threat to artists.
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Im sorry but this is no real threat to you or your art. In no way could this compromise your place as an artist and take away your work. This is equivalent to someone making a print and selling it on eBay.
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I wouldn't, because I guarantee someone already has the whole thing on their hard drive. At least with it up and running you have this level of scanning for IP theft. (Which is really cool that they do this!)
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The funny thing is that if you minted and make NFT's out of your work technically everybody would know which is the original and you could profit from the resells... unfortunately as you said, your "fans" would like that... and there are hundreds of green 0 carbon emiting tech
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Are you shutting down only your DeviantArt or other art accounts and your website too? Because if not, I'd advise you to keep DeviantArt, it's the only place that informs you when someone is stealing your artwork
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If this is possible try to take advantage of that. Two things in my mind: 1. They make your art more popular for free (which is good unless you are already a recognizable rock start worldwide) 2. Legal case to court and make the thieves (or NFT network owner) pay.
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This is horrific. I’m sorry people have no sense, no self control, and no care for others. This is so ridiculous. Why would they make this a thing???
DO NOT SHUTDOWN YOUR DEVIANART: let them steal the art, i nthe end you are the author and therefore is the original art, ive been through a similar experience so i understand the feeling. Dont panic, eventually they willl steal from disney* and it will be over
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Liam, we would love to talk to you and Deviant Art. We are a public benefit startup building a new approach to digital ownership, agency and asset transactions. The key is to solve for the authenticity of both things AND people. Would love to show you. Please DM, thanks!
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You know the scene is a bad state, when such a generalized, negatively biased statement is also so incredibly agreeable.
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No, they have a tool that detects nfts made of work you have. DA doesn't want nfts. The amount of people finding their work stolen using this tool is shocking and upsetting
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Can I ask? How do you discover if your work has been stolen ? Wondering if I should check myself ( I have a very old deviant art that I haven’t used in over a decade )
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It's a service provides automatically, but it's just becoming too much for me to handle, and so far I don't think I've succeeded in getting anything taken down. They want me to prove I'm me every time...
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So why wouldn’t you post your work on a chain like Tezos or Polygon and link to it so everyone knows where the legitimate art is and can be bought?
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I used Deviant art for the longest time then decided not to have it when I rebranded, seeing artists struggle so much rn makes me glad I made this decision yet heartbroken that artists need to go through this. Art theft has always been bad but with the birth of NFT's... Worried faceBroken heartPensive face
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These takedown problems feel the same as Twitter/Youtube/Insta/Tiktok/Behance/anything internet has as a problem. Bits are very easy to replicate. Do these things ever sell? I always tend to know the artists I buy NFTs from so feels foreign to me this scam would work at all.
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I guess just like email chain scams it has to work on some sucker. I suspect the amount of money made on scam NFTs is vanishingly small. In order for most NFTs to grow sales it is like any art market - it requires a strong community, active artist involvement, etc. Not easy.
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This absolutely is a shame and a material challenge with NFT economy. Strikes me, however, could motivate vendors to more seamlessly embed NFT ‘publishing’ within the app, like a modern day watermark.
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We’re sorry to hear that malicious people are taking advantage of your great work ! aims to provide a secure platform for artists to express themselves freely while protecting their works with carbon-free mints. contact us so that it does not happen again.
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And then what? Does anyone care that a blockchain says someone owns something? Is the government going to bother fining the fake NFT creator? If an artist’s customer has their asset copied and put up for sale, does the US government even recognize that customer’s “ownership”?
But you original painting uploaded to Internet? I mean, I supose you can prove in a jury that you are the author and the owner... Because if you are the artist and are helpless in front of those thiefs, that'd be so unfair... Go to a judge, is my advice. And good luck.
se não me engano lá no video de NFT falaram sobre isso. Mas isso é um vacilo do site opensea e outros sites de criação e venda de NFT que não verificam se a pessoa é a real criadora antes de criar o NFT. Face with tears of joy processar esses sites num instantes eles se endireitam.
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Deleting your account won't help here: as long as your art is on the internet, no matter the platform, it can and most likely will be used. If you prefer not to deal with the incoming notifications, you can turn them off in your settings.
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While nothing is lost indeed, most people would be pissed off if someone else made a profit on something they made. Also these NFTs websites also steal arts without covering/removing the watermark like how lazy and evil they are?
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Keanu Reeves laughing at the concept of NFT’s makes me like him that much more.
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